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Tommy McClure
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 Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks for All of Your Responses - Now... |
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"Bear Bottoms" <bearbottoms1@gmai.com> wrote in message news:op.tvim2lvqjo4m88@bwwlxc1...
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:31:18 -0500, AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:
> In article <469a3dce$0$63186$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org>, "Tommy McClure" > <tommylee9_2000(AT)yahoo(DOT)com> says...
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>> IE7 and FF are slower, but the tabs are nice. Keep one of each as >> needed.
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> ... which of these browsers is fastest?
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> Thanks again.
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Opera...without a doubt. It has the best features and interface without a doubt. ...and you don't have to mess with extensions that need to be redone everytime a new version comes out.
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I just tried Deepnet suggested by Bohan, it's nice too just as fast as IE6, has tabs, and rss feeds aggregator. I'm judging speed by download and save times for large pictures. IE6, and others will allow you to keep using browsers, [and tabs] while file saving is still in progress, FF will not, also has problems with scripts causing delays [freezing], [unknown causes, probably googlebar]
I agree Opera brings pages up fastest, but email , news services weak. Also, magnifier a little clumsy, but handy.
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AlleyCat
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks for All of Your Responses - Now... |
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In article <469a87a5$0$63185$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org>, "Tommy McClure" <tommylee9_2000(AT)yahoo(DOT)com> says...
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> Freeware website http://bearbottoms1.com
I just tried Deepnet suggested by Bohan, it's nice too just as fast as IE6, has tabs, and rss feeds aggregator. I'm judging speed by download and save times for large pictures. IE6, and others will allow you to keep using browsers, [and tabs] while file saving is still in progress, FF will not, also has problems with scripts causing delays [freezing], [unknown causes, probably googlebar]
I agree Opera brings pages up fastest, but email , news services weak. Also, magnifier a little clumsy, but handy.
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I thought about Deepnet, even to the point of downloading, but the download was going so slow... Maybe your judgement of Firefox will make me consider installing Opera again. I've downloaded the latest versions of FF and Opera and have had earlier versions on my computer for as long as they've been around, I just can't let go of IE6. It does everything I need it to, and am so use to it. I've never had a problem with any security issue, so it's hard to let go of habits, good and bad. Thanks again for every response.
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Sietse Fliege
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: Re: I Need Convincing |
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Sietse Fliege wrote:
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Can someone please convince me why I should switch from IE6 to Firefox, Opera or whatever browser you like best. I really don't feel the need to switch other than this one "flaw". If I have a browser (IE6) open and run a batch file to run a gaming site, for instance, the batch file runs the site in the window already open and therefore I have to hit the "back" button if I want to keep browsing that particular site. It also happens when reading mail and clicking on a link. If I'm playing Spades on Zone.com and happen to be checking mail and then click on a link, I might be dropped from the game if I'm not fast enough with the "stop" button. What I need to happen is that a browser knows there is a window already open and does not try to use that to open the link. Thanks.
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Have you tried the -new switch, like:
iexplore.exe -new www.pricelesswarehome.org |
I wonder why you didn't reply to my suggestion above?
Although you are open to try other browsers, you at the same time say: "I just can't let go of IE6."
For the latter you seem to have 2 wishes that might have a solution.
Firstly: open an URL in a new IE window from a batch file Now, when I put iexplore.exe www.pricelesswarehome.org in a batch file this opens the site in a new window.
If this does not happen for you, did you try the -new switch?
Secondly: clicking a link in you mail program opens a new IE window. Again, using OE it already does that for me. I have no other mail client installed to try it out, but I guess that it may depend on (some setting of) your mail client (which one)?
Alternatively: does not Shift-clicking open IE in a new window for you? For instance, when I click a link in Metapad, it reuses an already open IE window, but Shift-clicking opens a new window. The same with some other programs.
I seem to remember that not all programs handle it the same way (like nothing may happen when Shift-clicking a link).
Lastly, I guess that an Internet Explorer newsgroup or a newsgroup for your mail client may have better answers than you get in here. There they might know about some registry setting to try out.
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Why Tea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: Re: I Need Convincing |
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On Jul 15, 12:44 am, AlleyCat <a...@aohell.com> wrote:
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Can someone please convince me why I should switch from IE6 to Firefox, Opera or whatever browser you like best. I really don't feel the need to switch other than this one "flaw". If I have a browser (IE6) open and run a batch file to run a gaming site, for instance, the batch file runs the site in the window already open and therefore I have to hit the "back" button if I want to keep browsing that particular site. It also happens when reading mail and clicking on a link. If I'm playing Spades on Zone.com and happen to be checking mail and then click on a link, I might be dropped from the game if I'm not fast enough with the "stop" button. What I need to happen is that a browser knows there is a window already open and does not try to use that to open the link. Thanks.
Al |
I use 95% of the time Firefox and 5% IE. Quite a few sites seem to work with IE better. I also notice that Firefox supports Chinese languages much better than IE. I don't think you'll use Chinese, but I just mention it anyway. |
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Tommy McClure
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: Re: I Need Convincing |
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"mcwtlg" <mcwtlg.yourhat@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f7fv2h$fs3$1@news.al.sw.ericsson.se...
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:44:04 -0500, AlleyCat wrote:
> Can someone please convince me why I should switch from IE6 to Firefox, > Opera or whatever browser you like best. I really don't feel the need to > switch other than this one "flaw". If I have a browser (IE6) open and > run a batch file to run a gaming site, for instance, the batch file runs > the site in the window already open and therefore I have to hit the > "back" button if I want to keep browsing that particular site. It also > happens when reading mail and clicking on a link. If I'm playing Spades > on Zone.com and happen to be checking mail and then click on a link, I > might be dropped from the game if I'm not fast enough with the "stop" > button. What I need to happen is that a browser knows there is a window > already open and does not try to use that to open the link. Thanks. >
> Al
Two Words (kinda) on why you should switch:
Active X 
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I noticed that Deepnet seems to include both java and active x, each of which can be disabled if necessary. I haven't tested this yet however.
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Craig
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: Re: I Need Convincing |
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mcwtlg wrote:
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:44:04 -0500, AlleyCat wrote:
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| Can someone please convince me why I should switch from IE6 to Firefox, Opera or whatever browser you like best. |
Two Words (kinda) on why you should switch:
Active X |
Yuppers.
I generally recommend that people switch away from MS IE because of the:
- design: IE is integrated into the kernel instead of modular - resulting security issues: Active X is a primary culprit - resulting instability: patching IE exploits has fsck'd up the OS - lack of transparency: IE contains undocumented calls => less secure
I can't speak to Opera wrt these things. Haven't tried it in a long time. With Firefox or Seamonkey or other F/LOSS (Free-Libre Open Source Software) products, their design (based on modularity - outside of the OS' kernel) makes it less unlikely to cause OS instability and/or vulnerability.
Similarly, since F/LOSS products are based on code that any/everyone can review, there aren't any undocumented system calls to exploit. This one fact leads to another important fact; that Firefox/SM exploits are patched more quickly than MS IE's. In a nutshell then:
You should switch away from IE to a F/LOSS web browser to better and more easily maintain stability and security of your MS OS. convince
Of course, this would be only one step (yet significant) on the path towards a more secure and stable MS OS environment. Btw, I'm not advocating "ripping out" IE. I still use it to patch and update MS products, for example. Convinced yet? <grin>
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mcwtlg
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: I Need Convincing |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:44:04 -0500, AlleyCat wrote:
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Can someone please convince me why I should switch from IE6 to Firefox, Opera or whatever browser you like best. I really don't feel the need to switch other than this one "flaw". If I have a browser (IE6) open and run a batch file to run a gaming site, for instance, the batch file runs the site in the window already open and therefore I have to hit the "back" button if I want to keep browsing that particular site. It also happens when reading mail and clicking on a link. If I'm playing Spades on Zone.com and happen to be checking mail and then click on a link, I might be dropped from the game if I'm not fast enough with the "stop" button. What I need to happen is that a browser knows there is a window already open and does not try to use that to open the link. Thanks.
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Two Words (kinda) on why you should switch:
Active X |
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Klaatu
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: I Need Convincing |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:57:24 GMT, Frank Bohan posted to alt.comp.freeware:
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| I do not like Firefox because it has too many plug-ins. |
LOL. That's a good one... |
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Alfred Einstein
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: I Need Convincing |
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"Craig" <netburgher@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:ESLmi.38359$YL5.21361@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
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I generally recommend that people switch away from MS IE because of the:
- design: IE is integrated into the kernel instead of modular IRRELEVANT
- resulting security issues: Active X is a primary culprit JUST TURN IT OFF
- resulting instability: patching IE exploits has fsck'd up the OS HOW?
- lack of transparency: IE contains undocumented calls => less secure |
HUH?
Talk less. Think more. |
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jon
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: I Need Convincing |
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Alfred Einstein wrote:
I almost read your bio of Mozart once. |
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Frank Bohan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks for All of Your Responses - Now... |
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"AlleyCat" <al@aohell.com> wrote in message
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In article <469a87a5$0$63185$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org>, "Tommy McClure" <tommylee9_2000(AT)yahoo(DOT)com> says...
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> Freeware website http://bearbottoms1.com
I just tried Deepnet suggested by Bohan, it's nice too just as fast as IE6,
has tabs, and rss feeds aggregator. I'm judging speed by download and save
times for large pictures. IE6, and others will allow you to keep using browsers, [and tabs] while file saving is still in progress, FF will not, also has problems with scripts causing delays [freezing], [unknown causes,
probably googlebar] |
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Glad to hear you like Deepnet. You might also like FDM for downloading files.
Free Download Manager http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/
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Craig
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: I Need Convincing |
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Alfred Einstein wrote:
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"Craig" <netburgher@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message news:ESLmi.38359$YL5.21361@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
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I generally recommend that people switch away from MS IE because of the:
- design: IE is integrated into the kernel instead of modular |
IRRELEVANT |
No, not at all. It is quite relevant when discussing IE vs a 3rd party Web browser. You might want to familiarize yourself with the discussion on "monolithic vs modular" design. One such example: <http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/1078/>.
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| - resulting security issues: Active X is a primary culprit |
JUST TURN IT OFF |
Good, that stops one of IE's vectors.
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| - resulting instability: patching IE exploits has fsck'd up the OS |
HOW? |
Some IE security patches are patches the kernel. Kernel dependencies are changed and sometimes broken. When that happens, it's not just MSIE that broke. It's the operating system. That's the cost of monolithic development. Compare that with what happens when a patch goes south on a 3rd party application. The application may be b0rked but the OS is untouched.
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| - lack of transparency: IE contains undocumented calls => less secure |
HUH? |
For a discussion of security through obscurity vs transparency, you might want to try:
<http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6064734.html>
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| Talk less. Think more. |
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -Albert Einstein
hth,
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Alfred Einstein
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: I Need Convincing |
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"jon" <mcdaddums3@hhotmail.ccom.invalid> wrote in message news:3629649bb48cd3ab7fd1d0de46253d6dnp@mcdaddums.3...
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Alfred Einstein wrote:
I almost read your bio of Mozart once. |
You're the first one to recognize the nym as NOT Albert, and to know the difference. |
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Kat Mandu
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: I Need Convincing |
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Alfred Einstein wrote:
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"jon" <mcdaddums3@hhotmail.ccom.invalid> wrote in message news:3629649bb48cd3ab7fd1d0de46253d6dnp@mcdaddums.3...
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Alfred Einstein wrote:
I almost read your bio of Mozart once. |
You're the first one to recognize the nym as NOT Albert, and to know the difference. |
Correction: The first one to mention it.  |
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Tommy McClure
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks for All of Your Responses - Now... |
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"Frank Bohan" <franbo@sparkingwire.com> wrote in message news:469bea96$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
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"AlleyCat" <al@aohell.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2104a0717d19608d98991b@newsgroups.comcast.net... > In article <469a87a5$0$63185$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org>, "Tommy McClure" > <tommylee9_2000(AT)yahoo(DOT)com> says...
>> > Freeware website http://bearbottoms1.com >>
>> I just tried Deepnet suggested by Bohan, it's nice too just as fast as >> IE6,
>> has tabs, and rss feeds aggregator. I'm judging speed by download and >> save
>> times for large pictures. IE6, and others will allow you to keep using >> browsers, [and tabs] while file saving is still in progress, FF will not, >> also has problems with scripts causing delays [freezing], [unknown >> causes,
>> probably googlebar]
Glad to hear you like Deepnet. You might also like FDM for downloading files.
Free Download Manager http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/
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Frank Bohan
¶ Out of sight out of mind, as the blind idiot said. |
Been using FDM for some time now. Excellent freebie.
Tommy |
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