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Bear Bottoms
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 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:21:32 -0500, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
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| Pricelessware is "The best of the best in Freeware as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware". |
Correction: Pricelessware is "the best of the best in Freeware as determined by Pricelessware participants." |
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Kat Mandu
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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Franklin wrote:
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:21 Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
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| Pricelessware is "The best of the best in Freeware as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware". |
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On 17 Jul 2007, Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1@gmai.com> wrote:
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| Correction: Pricelessware is "the best of the best in Freeware as determined by Pricelessware participants." |
Final correction: Pricelessware is "The best of the best in Freeware as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware". |
This is certainly *not* true. How about inserting the word "voting" into it so that the last part of the sentence reads "the voting readers of alt.comp.freeware"? |
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Susan Bugher
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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Kat Mandu wrote:
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Franklin wrote:
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| Final correction: Pricelessware is "The best of the best in Freeware as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware". |
This is certainly *not* true. How about inserting the word "voting" into it so that the last part of the sentence reads "the voting readers of alt.comp.freeware"? |
Perhaps you're thinking of web sites that allow visitors to "vote". alt.comp.freeware's Pricelessware selection process is more comprehensive than that. See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php
The current wording of the Pricelessware slogan is: "The best of the best in Freeware -
selected by alt.comp.freeware participants"
See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Susan |
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Kat Mandu
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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Susan Bugher wrote:
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Kat Mandu wrote:
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Franklin wrote:
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| Final correction: Pricelessware is "The best of the best in Freeware as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware". |
This is certainly *not* true. How about inserting the word "voting" into it so that the last part of the sentence reads "the voting readers of alt.comp.freeware"? |
Perhaps you're thinking of web sites that allow visitors to "vote". alt.comp.freeware's Pricelessware selection process is more comprehensive than that. See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php
The current wording of the Pricelessware slogan is: "The best of the best in Freeware -
selected by alt.comp.freeware participants"
See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
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But I'm an "alt.comp.freeware participant" and I haven't "selected" anything as "Pricelessware." |
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Nicolaas Hawkins
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:10 am Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:15:26 -0700, Kat Mandu <Mandu@isp.ne> wrote in <news:469c506f$0$97244$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>:
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Susan Bugher wrote:
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Kat Mandu wrote:
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Franklin wrote:
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| Final correction: Pricelessware is "The best of the best in Freeware as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware". |
This is certainly *not* true. How about inserting the word "voting" into it so that the last part of the sentence reads "the voting readers of alt.comp.freeware"? |
Perhaps you're thinking of web sites that allow visitors to "vote". alt.comp.freeware's Pricelessware selection process is more comprehensive than that. See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php
The current wording of the Pricelessware slogan is: "The best of the best in Freeware -
selected by alt.comp.freeware participants"
See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Susan |
But I'm an "alt.comp.freeware participant" and I haven't "selected" anything as "Pricelessware." |
That is fine. The wording as it stands makes no pretence of being inclusive of those whose free choice is not to participate in the Pricelessware ballots. Neither can it be denied that those who do participate (voluntarily, it is to be noted) in the ballots are alt.comp.freeware participants also - so the wording as it stands, "selected by alt.comp.freeware participants" is true regardless of the direction from which it is viewed. |
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Kat Mandu
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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Nicolaas Hawkins wrote:
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:15:26 -0700, Kat Mandu <Mandu@isp.ne> wrote in <news:469c506f$0$97244$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>:
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Susan Bugher wrote:
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Kat Mandu wrote:
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Franklin wrote:
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| Final correction: Pricelessware is "The best of the best in Freeware as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware". |
This is certainly *not* true. How about inserting the word "voting" into it so that the last part of the sentence reads "the voting readers of alt.comp.freeware"? |
Perhaps you're thinking of web sites that allow visitors to "vote". alt.comp.freeware's Pricelessware selection process is more comprehensive than that. See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php
The current wording of the Pricelessware slogan is: "The best of the best in Freeware -
selected by alt.comp.freeware participants"
See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Susan |
But I'm an "alt.comp.freeware participant" and I haven't "selected" anything as "Pricelessware." |
That is fine. The wording as it stands makes no pretence of being inclusive of those whose free choice is not to participate in the Pricelessware ballots. Neither can it be denied that those who do participate (voluntarily, it is to be noted) in the ballots are alt.comp.freeware participants also - so the wording as it stands, "selected by alt.comp.freeware participants" is true regardless of the direction from which it is viewed. |
I suppose. Although it sure sounds like the description automatically associates me with Pricelessware by virtue of my participation in alt.comp.freeware, I'm not going to nitpick further about the matter. It's not worth it to me. |
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Bear Bottoms
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:05:17 -0500, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Kat Mandu wrote:
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Franklin wrote:
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| Final correction: Pricelessware is "The best of the best in Freeware as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware". |
This is certainly *not* true. How about inserting the word "voting" into it so that the last part of the sentence reads "the voting readers of alt.comp.freeware"? |
Perhaps you're thinking of web sites that allow visitors to "vote". alt.comp.freeware's Pricelessware selection process is more comprehensive than that. See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php
The current wording of the Pricelessware slogan is: "The best of the best in Freeware -
selected by alt.comp.freeware participants"
See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Susan |
It is a lie. Intentional misrepresentation and a false gimmick to boost a website. |
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Bear Bottoms
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:10:36 -0500, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.mole@t.large> wrote:
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:15:26 -0700, Kat Mandu <Mandu@isp.ne> wrote in <news:469c506f$0$97244$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>:
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Susan Bugher wrote:
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Kat Mandu wrote:
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Franklin wrote:
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| Final correction: Pricelessware is "The best of the best in Freeware as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware". |
This is certainly *not* true. How about inserting the word "voting" into it so that the last part of the sentence reads "the voting readers of alt.comp.freeware"? |
Perhaps you're thinking of web sites that allow visitors to "vote". alt.comp.freeware's Pricelessware selection process is more comprehensive than that. See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php
The current wording of the Pricelessware slogan is: "The best of the best in Freeware -
selected by alt.comp.freeware participants"
See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Susan |
But I'm an "alt.comp.freeware participant" and I haven't "selected" anything as "Pricelessware." |
That is fine. The wording as it stands makes no pretence of being inclusive of those whose free choice is not to participate in the Pricelessware ballots. Neither can it be denied that those who do participate (voluntarily, it is to be noted) in the ballots are alt.comp.freeware participants also - so the wording as it stands, "selected by alt.comp.freeware participants" is true regardless of the direction from which it is viewed. |
You are wrong. It is false advertising. Furthermore, usenet is not intended for websites to claim or conduct website business within. |
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Kat Mandu
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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Franklin wrote:
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On 17 Jul 2007, Kat Mandu <Mandu@isp.ne> wrote:
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Susan Bugher wrote:
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Kat Mandu wrote:
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Franklin wrote:
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| Final correction: Pricelessware is "The best of the best in Freeware as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware". |
This is certainly *not* true. How about inserting the word "voting" into it so that the last part of the sentence reads "the voting readers of alt.comp.freeware"? |
Perhaps you're thinking of web sites that allow visitors to "vote". alt.comp.freeware's Pricelessware selection process is more comprehensive than that. See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php
The current wording of the Pricelessware slogan is: "The best of the best in Freeware -
selected by alt.comp.freeware participants"
See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Susan |
But I'm an "alt.comp.freeware participant" and I haven't "selected" anything as "Pricelessware." |
Hi Cheshire!
I'm in a similar situation to yourself because I've not taken any real part in selecting something as "Pricelessware" either.
It's been a long time but IIRC in all the time I have posted here I've nominated only one or perhaps two applications for Pricelessware and I may have voted for a couple of applications.
Now, I see that the Pricelessware slogan dose *not* say: "The best of the best in Freeware - selected
by ALL alt.comp.freeware participants"
So the original is quite truthful.
This reminds me that I posted an explanation of bare plurals using apples as an example to Mr Bottoms recently. <Fri, 13 Jul 2007> MsgID: <news:Xns996CE8B9380F28FCE1@127.0.0.1> Perhaps it got missed in all the posting that's been going on so here it is again.
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I opened the door accordingly and went in, and there was Moore seated by the fire with a basket upon his knees.
"Moore," I said, "do you have any apples in that basket?" "No," he replied, and smiled seraphically, as was his wont.
I decided to try a different logical tack. "Moore," I said, "do you then have some apples in that basket?"
"No," he replied, leaving me in a logical cleft stick from which I had but one way out.
"Moore," I said, "do you then have apples in that basket?" "Yes," he replied.
And from that day forth, we remained the very closest of friends.
[from: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~ericsw/btf/] ======================== END QUOTE ========================
For more information try this but it does get complicated! "Interpretation of Bare Plurals" http://preview.tinyurl.com/2qgmpv |
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Nicolaas Hawkins
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:18:21 -0500, Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1@gmai.com> wrote in <news:op.tvltkvmyjo4m88@bwwlxc1>:
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:10:36 -0500, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.mole@t.large> wrote:
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:15:26 -0700, Kat Mandu <Mandu@isp.ne> wrote in <news:469c506f$0$97244$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>:
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Susan Bugher wrote:
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Kat Mandu wrote:
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Franklin wrote:
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| Final correction: Pricelessware is "The best of the best in Freeware as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware". |
This is certainly *not* true. How about inserting the word "voting" into it so that the last part of the sentence reads "the voting readers of alt.comp.freeware"? |
Perhaps you're thinking of web sites that allow visitors to "vote". alt.comp.freeware's Pricelessware selection process is more comprehensive than that. See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php
The current wording of the Pricelessware slogan is: "The best of the best in Freeware -
selected by alt.comp.freeware participants"
See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Susan |
But I'm an "alt.comp.freeware participant" and I haven't "selected" anything as "Pricelessware." |
That is fine. The wording as it stands makes no pretence of being inclusive of those whose free choice is not to participate in the Pricelessware ballots. Neither can it be denied that those who do participate (voluntarily, it is to be noted) in the ballots are alt.comp.freeware participants also - so the wording as it stands, "selected by alt.comp.freeware participants" is true regardless of the direction from which it is viewed. |
You are wrong. |
No, William, I am not wrong. I simply hold a differing viewpoint - which it seems you have great difficulty in acknowledging as being equally as valid as your own.
Surely you are not one of those people who only acknowledge two viewpoints - their own, and the wrong one?
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In precisely what way is it false?
If it comers to that, in what way is it advertising? It is simply a "slogan" which defines the nature of Pricelessware. No more than that. If you have a problem with that, then I suggest the problem is not with the wording, but with the interpretation.
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| Furthermore, usenet is not intended for websites to claim or conduct website business within. |
Since when were you in a position to pontificate on what Usenet is or is not intended for? It is simply your own opinion and will never be any more than that.
If you are so certain of your correctitude, why do you not arrange to have a neutrally-worded, neutrally-moderated ballot conducted on the issue and pledge yourself and your cabal to be bound by the results? |
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Bear Bottoms
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:29:06 -0500, »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> wrote:
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In <news:Xns9970E0F827BE178D91A@127.0.0.1>,
Franklin <frank.says@no.mail.please> wrote:
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My favorite was when one of them called Pricelessware "an abuse of the fundamental founding principles of Usenet." |
Well I didn't say that but it applies. Usenet was never developed for websites. It was developed for individuals to discuss the topic of the group. Not for websites to move in, conduct website business, and falsely claim that the group endorsed a website for the purpose of advertising the website or any other purpose. That the website advertises that it is developed by the readers of ACF is false, when it is a few website participants who do so in the group. That business should be conducted in the websites own forum. The disdain you show and lack of respect for this newsgroup by the behavior of those website participants towards others in the group and the noise created by the endeavor is wrong. |
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Craig
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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Bear Bottoms wrote:
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:29:06 -0500, »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> wrote:
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In <news:Xns9970E0F827BE178D91A@127.0.0.1>,
Franklin <frank.says@no.mail.please> wrote:
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My favorite was when one of them called Pricelessware "an abuse of the fundamental founding principles of Usenet." |
Usenet was never developed for websites. |
That's my favorite right there.
Similarly, gangways & rudders weren't developed for airplanes. And yet, somehow, time marches on. For the rest of us.
-Craig |
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Bear Bottoms
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:47:10 -0500, »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> wrote:
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In <news:op.tvmumuigjo4m88@bwwlxc1>,
"Bear Bottoms" <bearbottoms1@gmai.com> wrote:
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:29:06 -0500, »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> wrote:
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In <news:Xns9970E0F827BE178D91A@127.0.0.1>,
Franklin <frank.says@no.mail.please> wrote:
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| more and more likely to refer to imaginary rules and regulations. |
My favorite was when one of them called Pricelessware "an abuse of the fundamental founding principles of Usenet." |
Well I didn't say that but it applies. |
You learned about the "the fundamental founding principles of Usenet" in 1981, when Usenet was called bulletin boards and shopping was scarce?  |
Absolutely |
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Bear Bottoms
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: alt.comp.freeware information |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:18:35 -0500, Craig <netburgher@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
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Bear Bottoms wrote:
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:29:06 -0500, »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> wrote:
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In <news:Xns9970E0F827BE178D91A@127.0.0.1>,
Franklin <frank.says@no.mail.please> wrote:
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My favorite was when one of them called Pricelessware "an abuse of the fundamental founding principles of Usenet." |
Usenet was never developed for websites. |
That's my favorite right there.
Similarly, gangways & rudders weren't developed for airplanes. And yet, somehow, time marches on. For the rest of us.
-Craig |
When your argument degrades to ridicule, you have admitted defeat. It is the only argument I see right now from the gang. You can't honestly defend your behavior so there is little recourse but to resort to ridicule. Not becoming. |
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